Mycenaean DNA and Other Curiosities

[I did not have time to write this, but I did so anyway, to let out intellectual frustration.]

Last summer a study was published on the genetic origins of the Mycenaeans and Minoans. It turns out that they were similar, but the Mycenaeans, whom we know had an Indo-European language, possessed a small amount of steppe-related admixture which the Minoans did not (so as a side note, this is more evidence for the “Kurgan hypothesis”). Both Mycenaeans and Minoans are related to modern Mediterranean Europeans, but in fact possessed less Northern European admixture than modern day Greeks (which contradicts the Nordicist narrative). I think this difference may be due to a subsequent Dorian invasion after the collapse of the Mycenaean civilization. The Dorians did worship a Nordic-looking deity, Apollo, and a new addition of Northern European blood, possibly from an off-shoot of the Corded Ware, may be the reason for the inclusion of characters with a Nordic pigmentation in the myths of Hesiod and Homer, who both wrote after the Dorian invasion.

From Eurogenes

Now regarding the perennial arguments about Nordicism and non-WASPs, it should first be noted that even Madison Grant acknowledged in The Passing of the Great Race that both Nordic and Mediterranean phenotypes were present in the British Isles, not only in the Irish, but also in the Welsh, English, and Scotts. All of these ethnic groups possess some admixture from both “Nordic” peoples from the Corded Ware Culture and its successors, and to a lesser degree, earlier Neolithic inhabitants of a more Mediterranean appearance. The confusion that has arisen here is due to the conflation of geographic and linguistic groups: “English”, “Irish”, “Scottish”, with phenotypes. As I showed before, none of these ethnic groups possess significantly more Levantine blood than continental Germanic and Scandinavian peoples. Any differences in phenotype are for a different reason, such as possessing more of an older admixture from the Megalithic era, due to geographic isolation (which makes more sense than a pseudohistorical migration of Semitic tribes into Northwestern Europe, which would have left significant amounts of Y chromosomal haplogroup J1, which is at low to null frequencies in the native British and Irish populations (edited)).

Another thing I would like to bring up is that Irish admixture is now present to some degree in Icelanders and Norwegians because of their slave trade in the Viking period. It is also present in the Scotts because of a migration from Ireland into Scotland during the early middle ages under the Dal Riata kingdom (which is why Scotland spoke Gaelic for several centuries and has many surnames beginning with Mc and Mac). The Vikings did take many slaves from Scotland and Ireland and brought them to Norway and Iceland, and eventually, they became incorporated into the Norse population. This admixture event is evident in the Y-chromosomal makeup of Iceland and Norway, in contrast to that of other Scandinavian and continental Germanic peoples (the Icelanders and Norwegians have more R1b-L21, which peaks in Ireland and Scotland).

Likewise, the Swedes and Germans probably have a small amount of Slavic admixture at the present time, given that a minority of them possess a Y-Chromosome lineage (R1a-M458) predominate among Western Slavs and much less common in other ethnic groups.

So it is clear that Nordic peoples possess some amount of admixture from non-Germanic ethnic groups. Notions of Germanic purity are at the present time difficult to prove.

I wrote this piece as someone probably classifiable as Nordic, with a long angular face; a high, long, European nose; green eyes; pale skin, and golden brown hair (in full light). My intent here is not to support Mediterranism or Nordicism but to provide a perspective of realism regarding European phenotypes and their relation to ethnicities and geographic areas.




4 thoughts on “Mycenaean DNA and Other Curiosities

  1. “Nordic” Aryans from the Steppe went down to Greece, and from the Minoans, the Mycenaean were born as a mixture.
    Elite rule is also a thing, everyone knows about Hellen’s blondness.
    Then, as you said, the Doric invasions gave them more “Nordic” blood.
    In the PCA you can see how, from the Minoans, the inhabitants of Greece kept on shifting towards the Steppe.

    Now, about the Levantine admixture. It exists, but it came much later in the Roman Empire epoch in Italy and Greece, and it kept flowing to Greece after that.

    England_Roman_outlier is a Middle Eastern Gladiator buried in Britain. He is genetically like Levant_BA.
    There could have been more runs and with more admixtures, like Genetiker sometimes does, but I think you already understood the point.


  2. No need for blondness in the Mediterranean or Homeric Greeks to come from the steppe…
    at least not most of it. Seems neither of u read the study. One of the Minoan samples as well as one of the bronze age Anatolians had genes for blondism. And they scored 0% steppe and 0% Eastern European Hunter Gatherer. So blondism was present in the Mediterranean before steppe ancestry was.


    1. I did not claim blondness had to come from the steppe, but artistic depictions of the Minoans suggest they were mostly a dark-haired people. If the blondism allele they possessed is the same as in EHG, then we do not know where most of the blondism in later Hellenic peoples came from (and it is not that relevant anyways).


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